Forum

High Bidder passing...
 
Notifications
Clear all

High Bidder passing a trump ace

4 Posts
2 Users
0 Reactions
1,942 Views
 Lee
(@Lee-3498)
New Member
Joined: 2 years ago
Posts: 2
Topic starter  

Hi. I've noticed something that other players do, and I would like to know why they do it. The high bidder will lead their first trick with a low trump, the opponent to his left plays a king or ten of trump, and then the low bidder plays an ace of trump and wins the trick. So the high bidder passed an ace trump to their partner. Why did the high bidder do that? Why not keep the ace and play it as the first card on the first trick?


   
Quote
Pass Smart
(@Pass-Smart-1245)
Estimable Member
Joined: 2 years ago
Posts: 101
 

@Lee
You may be talking about me....lol. if my cards are right I will do something very similar to that scenario every time I get the right cards.

Let's first establish some common nomenclature that will logically make sense for the conversation. We have bitters that bid on each round hoping to win the bid. We have a bid winner that will call out what the Trump suit will be and will also take control of this round. The bid winner has a partner so we will establish that team as having a primary hand which is the bid winner and a secondary hand which is the supporting partner. The other two players are just the other team.

When I get a real solid hand not only before the bid but also after the four card pass and this solid hand has a lot of power cards not only in the Trump suit but maybe in a second and / or third suit then I will do the scenario that you are asking about and I am explaining.

Say I have won the bid and have called Spades as Trump. I ended up getting a family or some people call it a run Plus the second Ace. My hand has so much meld in it I am having a hard time choosing the four cards to send back to the secondary hand. Besides having a family in the Trump suit along with extra cards like the second Ace and maybe the second queen and both nines I also have four of a kind in Kings.

I did not make four of a kind in aces but I do have three of the different aces. So what do I do with all this power along with all this Trump plus the Kings are point guards but they're also kind of dead weight.

Well, I always try to get my partner involved and don't assume they are just a sloth or dead weight and worthless as I saw someone right on this form recently which I think is ridiculous. So for this hypothetical scenario the four cards I sent back to my partner were one of the Trump aces, one of the nine of trump, and the second and third aces of different suits in my hand. Now I gave away these aces back to my partner for a good reason versus I've had partners give me back aces that I sent to them for absolutely no good reason but to clear their hand of that suit which I think is foolish.

So let's look at what this has done. As you noted the bid winter which is also the primary hand for this round did not lead with the Ace of trump like you would think he should and most good players do.. in this hypothetical situation I would have led with the queen of trump so that the opponent throws a king or 10 and my partner throws the ace I sent and the other opponent sends a low Trump. So now we have bled out for Trump cards and control is in the secondaries hand like you stated in your note. I planned it that way if it was me that you saw so that they could use the two aces while they have control and I can throw two of my Kings from my four of a kind Kings I got eight points of meld. Then hopefully my partner is sharp enough, I have had many that haven't been, sharp enough to throw at 9:00 of trump after they run out all of their power safely. Since I have the second Ace of trump that turns the power back to me and I continue to bleed out the Trump cards from the opponent's hands and then hopefully continue to clean out the other suits and maybe even skunk them by taking all books for perfect hand or is a minimum we make our bid.

Please note that if you didn't see a second Ace of trump come out from the primary hand then it was not me that you saw do what you were questioning. The only time I do that scenario is when I've got both aces. So depending on what kind of power along with the other cards I have in my hand there are so many different ways to run that little game there. The whole reason behind this and the short story of it is that I am utilizing my partner to take some of the junk out of my hand that were decent meld but we're now useless to me. Remember that it's for player partners so be a "Team".

You are welcome to whoever else reads this and uses it.


   
ReplyQuote
 Lee
(@Lee-3498)
New Member
Joined: 2 years ago
Posts: 2
Topic starter  

@Mike-Ox-Big Thank you so very much for your detailed reply. It all makes perfect sense and I shall endeavour to use this strategy when it seems fit to do so. Thanks again.


   
ReplyQuote
Pass Smart
(@Pass-Smart-1245)
Estimable Member
Joined: 2 years ago
Posts: 101
 

@Lee
You are most welcome, Sir. Hope it helps out. Now remember that I only do it when I have both aces in the Trump suit. I guess you could do it with one ace but that leaves your hand pretty anemic.. LOL. Also, you need to watch when you have only several Trump cards instead of many because you want to take that last book.

I wish Josh could give us chat so that we could communicate with our partners a little in between hands but that is an avenue for nasty players to get nasty and berate and belittle a partner they think isn't up to snuff. But a chat can be used to explain a little bit to a younger player of what the intent was so that others can learn because every hand is different and you can't learn everything off the tutorial even though the learning tutorial on this app is quite good.

Josh would know best but adding a chat might be really intense on the room on the servers regarding memory and bandwidth so that might not be possible without a huge investment.

Well, good luck and good cards.
M.O.B.


   
ReplyQuote
Share:

Online Now

  • Nate

    Rating 1758
  • Ömer

    Rating 214
  • mike

    Rating 2141
  • Mike

    Rating 2002
  • Ernie

    Rating 40170
  • kurt

    Rating 2183
  • dullboy

    Rating 2147
  • Maryvale

    Rating 2451
  • Bear's

    Rating 4291
  • chuck

    Rating 2010
  • Rosemarie

    Rating 1812
  • Carl

    Rating 1443
  • The User

    Rating 3497
  • Dblknuckle

    Rating 1635
  • Sara

    Rating 1991
  • Traceyad

    Rating 4053
  • Arkady

    Rating 1998
  • daft

    Rating 2222
  • G Màn

    Rating 4714
  • friar

    Rating 1297
  • Player Griff

    Rating 6558
  • Tariqchill

    Rating 1747
  • Snake

    Rating 8684
  • Vinnie

    Rating 2539
  • Player

    Rating 571
  • Julio

    Rating 1590
  • rip

    Rating 1625
  • gerick

    Rating 2180
  • myers

    Rating 1905
  • matilda

    Rating 2266
  • Cindy

    Rating 2281
  • crypto

    Rating 2166
  • eunice

    Rating 2061
  • Dave

    Rating 15384
  • Jenn

    Rating 4420
  • Joni

    Rating 2331
  • Player Tay

    Rating 331
  • powell

    Rating 1710
  • John

    Rating 3563
  • RR4H8

    Rating 1618
  • rednuts

    Rating 1264
  • Matthew

    Rating 1991
  • gary

    Rating 1825
  • Cassandra

    Rating 895
  • Player

    Rating 1963
  • Playersherry

    Rating 1129
  • carnell

    Rating 1294
  • prince

    Rating 2191
  • Seedygirl

    Rating 2490
  • qpq

    Rating 1087
  • marc

    Rating 1967
  • ashok

    Rating 1277
  • Storm

    Rating 2731
  • Judd

    Rating 998
  • vulture

    Rating 2003
  • Jewlz

    Rating 2118
  • Sadzapp

    Rating 1903
  • Mmg

    Rating 1476
  • Wendy

    Rating 922
  • michael

    Rating 2319
  • tommy

    Rating 2226
  • Leahanne

    Rating 2045
  • harvey

    Rating 1780
  • danchenko

    Rating 1684
  • bruce

    Rating 2045
  • Bigbadbo

    Rating 168
  • Shelly

    Rating 2195
  • Art

    Rating 5416
  • Vicki

    Rating 1467
  • Betty Jo

    Rating 2082
  • moirer

    Rating 671
  • No Regrets

    Rating 0
  • Choch

    Rating 1973
  • Douglas

    Rating 1788
  • Cuban

    Rating 1751
  • loretta

    Rating 1315
  • arfe

    Rating 1382
  • Bob

    Rating 2289
  • maryann

    Rating 2014
  • brady

    Rating 1655
  • dawn

    Rating 2251
  • Sheely

    Rating 1920
  • dan

    Rating 2251
  • Mema

    Rating 1153
  • Hank

    Rating 1552
  • tony

    Rating 1489
  • dell

    Rating 2141
  • Bert

    Rating 1040
  • Victor

    Rating 1756
  • henry

    Rating 1536
  • lyonel

    Rating 1338
  • Phillips

    Rating 2252
  • jordan

    Rating 2282
  • North

    Rating 1521
  • trevor

    Rating 1163
  • traunch

    Rating 1725
  • Jaymoney

    Rating 8675
  • more

    Rating 2142
  • James

    Rating 6695
  • Skylord

    Rating 0
  • doc

    Rating 1906
  • sammy

    Rating 2183
  • kat

    Rating 1402
  • Andrea

    Rating 1623
  • Tam

    Rating 2065
  • Logan

    Rating 2091
  • steam

    Rating 2167
  • cliff

    Rating 1004
  • DanZ

    Rating 1518
  • Nick

    Rating 2455
  • ryan

    Rating 2869
  • Tynitty

    Rating 1749
  • Cowgirl

    Rating 1533
  • Edgar

    Rating 1980
  • Star

    Rating 1679
  • win

    Rating 2732
  • Reyes

    Rating 2166
  • Jared

    Rating 2163
  • Laslo

    Rating 1921
  • Dan

    Rating 1951
  • starkey

    Rating 2866
  • reg

    Rating 1393
  • brock

    Rating 3049
  • karl

    Rating 1614
  • RB

    Rating 2084
  • Trenton

    Rating 2626
  • matt

    Rating 2844
  • Lovely Libra

    Rating 444
  • nurse

    Rating 3094
  • felix

    Rating 2522
  • annie

    Rating 2408
  • Rahmel

    Rating 1333
  • wots

    Rating 2732
  • Pj

    Rating 2071
  • jimmy

    Rating 1496
  • Sylvia

    Rating 1215
  • Gogetem

    Rating 635
  • andy

    Rating 1421
  • Frank

    Rating 1946
  • jr

    Rating 3304
  • Jim

    Rating 2737
  • Connor

    Rating 2070
  • ClarkBar

    Rating 2562
  • John

    Rating 14386
  • lynn

    Rating 2471
  • ecker

    Rating 1337
  • Durham

    Rating 3037
  • Ortega

    Rating 2288
  • Saris

    Rating 2963
  • thedon

    Rating 3112
  • Bigrome

    Rating 2316
  • Mark

    Rating 2550
  • jenna

    Rating 2908
  • worm

    Rating 3108
  • Deniz

    Rating 3063
  • Cutter

    Rating 8066
  • Edie

    Rating 7185
  • Joe

    Rating 2981
  • Buddylove

    Rating 2436
  • Bev

    Rating 2191
  • Ray

    Rating 1082

Today's Best Hand

  • Ernie

    Rating 40170
  • Joe

    Rating 16045
  • Dave

    Rating 15384
  • John

    Rating 14386
  • Brady

    Rating 13678
  • Player

    Rating 12321
  • Djs

    Rating 12203
  • Lenhoj

    Rating 11489
  • Kami

    Rating 10766
  • Mark

    Rating 10714